Hi all,
I’m trying to re-create the midi patch I have here to mirror what I’ve produced in notation software, but I can’t seem to figure out how to add the time signature [((5 8) (3 4))] to the voice object? Am I approaching this the wrong way?
OM-Quantify makes it look… hideous… 
Best,
Hamish
Untitled Project 4 - Full score - Flow 1.mid (274 Bytes)
Midi_Thematic_Development.omp (333 Bytes)
Dear Hamish,
Unfortunately your patch is empty…
However i suspect that using ldurs as durations along with nktree is not accurate at all.
Please do send a valid patch.
Best
K
Hi Karim,
Please find attached patch. Does this work?
Best,
H
Midi_Thematic_Development 2.omp (44.7 KB)
Dear Hamish,
Yes this is better.
I don’t know what you want to do exaclty starting from the midifile, however first of all, the use of mktree is wrong in this situation. Better use this strategy:
midi_thematic_development 3.omp (25.8 KB)
Even better if we “clean” up side effects of the rests in the midifile that will induce unnecessary rest quantification (right patching).
But if your intention is to import a score starting from an application (Finale, Sibelius, etc…) better use the musicxml format.
Best
K
Hello all dear OMers,
I would like to intervene, more than to give a real solution to what hjemadden has exposed, to have a comparison on how I thought to obtain the writing of the metric indications through the import of MIDI files.
I attach both the patch and the screen, thanks in advance for your support; if it should also be useful for the original question, so much the better.
Good continuation,
neo
midi2om_with_timesig.omp (69.1 KB)
Hi Karim,
Many thanks! How would this patch work with MusXML? How can I use a musXML file to separate pitch & rhythm, to alter them separately, before combining them back together?
Dear Hamish,
In your question two different aspects.
Using musicxml files are straight forward. It it just a format for export/import from to OpenMusic to/from other score applications. It far more precise than a midifile since midifiles could be quantified
Pitch/rhythm separation is yet another question. There are many ways to do so, Can you be more explicit, ie can you tell us what you want to do exactly?
Best
K
Hello everyone,
I hope I’m not disturbing you with my intrusion. If I understood the hjemadden issue, that is, loading a score (musicxml in this case) and manipulating its pitches and rhythms to then recompose a new score, could this patch be a simple case study?
Best regards and good continuation to everyone!
neo
manipulate_xml.omp (52.7 KB)
Dear Neo,
No your contributions are always welcomed. It’s just to understand the needs of Hamish and I think the real question here is about workflow.
It depends what you have at the beginning with which software etc…
Concerning my personal workflow i use OM then lilypond then import back when necessary into OM all this using omlily library. But this case is personal as stated. So it depends ot the needs of each one.
And thank you a lot for your contribs.
Best
K
Dear Karim,
My workflow is to produce material in score in Dorico, then import into OM to manipulate it, mainly using the profile library.
I hope this helps!
Best, H
In this case, I advise you not to use midi as an inter-exchange material. You will loose all symbolic rhythmical material such as timesignatures, tuplets, etc. The best is to use the musicxml format. I think Dorico has this feature. Then you can import it in a VOICE or POLY object in OM. There, you can work on pitch/rhythmic material and then export back in musicxml format again into Dorico for typesetting.
You just have to be careful with dynamics. They are exported/imported correctly but you should define your own corresponding symbolic “levels” in om preferences (Score tab).
That is mainly my workflow, But I use instead of Dorico, Lilypond using as inter-exchange format the lilypond format.
I hope this helps.
Best regards.
Karim
Hi Neo,
This is more-or less exactly what I’m trying to do! How would I go about specifying a particular mode/reservoir of pitches from which the manipulate_notes patch could choose?
Best wishes, and thanks again!
Hamish
More than that, I’m wondering what the best way to be able to feed a ‘seed’ of a melodic idea, and have it proliferate that melody, in the examples below (taken from The OM Composer’s Book, Vol. 3). I don’t know what’s in the ‘make-voice’ or ‘make-series’ sub-patches? Do you know? How would one work it out?
Best wishes,
Hamish
Hi Hamish,
For now, I’ll answer the first question with a small patch made in a hurry. Of course I’m limiting the case study to a diatonic/modal context, for a post-tonal context there would be a need for a completely different kind of approach, I think (the first one that comes to mind is to use the VOCODER function from the Esquisse library).
In this case, in order for the patch to work, it is necessary to declare the tonic (in midicents) of the entered score and the original mode/scale. Then you can declare a new tonic and a new reference scale, which will then map to the original, obtaining a variation in pitches.
I don’t know how apt it is, but I’m very interested in this comparison that is emerging. For the other question I plan to answer in the evening (I am engaged in some mandatory rehearsals). I await opinions and see you soon everyone!
neo
manipulate_xml_harmonic_fields.omp (55.8 KB)
Dear Hamish,
Unfortunately I was not able to trace the internal patches, I’m sorry, if you have news about it let me know. The article had also caught my attention, like all the others for that matter.
In any case, rereading the passage in question and analyzing the result of the article’s patch, with my student skills I tried to make the patch ex nihilo.
Let me know if as a concept it is something similar to your projects or if I misunderstood. Best regards and thanks again for this comparison (attached patch and screen).
Good continuation,
neo
prol_mel_fib.omp (113.9 KB)
